For me, one of its major flaws is that it’s a very poor display set consisting of an unconnected sprawl of separate models. Just think how much better it would look if it included a couple of white 32×32 baseplates to mount everything on and tie it all together.
Before answering that, let’s take a look at a few sets to compare those with and those without them. Back in the 1990s and 2000s baseplates were commonplace and almost every large building (or other structure) came with one. Everything included in the set fits on the two baseplates so it looks neat and tidy when displayed, and the topography of the plates has been used to great effect. But it annoys me that there are bits and pieces sprawled all over the place: sub-assemblies that should be inside the building and others that belong outside.If two 32×32 baseplates had been provided the whole thing could have been tied together neatly with everything in its place where it should be. It also makes for a larger play area, since they are not confined to the size of the baseplates. Baseplates mean a nice clean, self-contained set. About two thirds of the models included need to be ripped out in favour of much more interior detail and additional rooms. A decision which was largely influenced by the massive raised baseplate with a ramp and secret stairs down one side.
I prefer 16×16 and 8×16 plates for my layout as it allows for more varied terrain easily.
Anyway, 75098 looks terrible when compared to pictures above it. A baseplate is large and, particularly in the case of those with raised portions, can hugely increase the size of the box. If they can use normal plates to do the same basic job, then they will. Maybe we should campaign to have a wider variety of baseplates sold as standalone items (like white or brown, for example). Each of my kids have there own way that they like to set up the cocktail table and piano plates. And speaking of imaginations, mine must be broken. Builds would be arranged on the vertical and horizontal lines with little chance at an organic display. What do you gain from baseplates apart from extra stability and a bit of road?
They couldn’t be disassembled when putting them away, they looked out of place with other models and served limited purpose. Sets with disparate elements feel diminished without them, and sets that could have been more impressive with a raised plate now feel less so. Without it, it would lose a whole lot of playability. Hoth is a big mess and i think it would have looked worst than this with a baseplate under it. On the other side of the coin, i would love to see more different measures of baseplates sold separately. Right now i’m moc-ing on a small serie of modulars with baseplates 8×32 and i would love so much to buy a couple of those as stand-alone new sets.
I now have that very set in an underwater-themed display amongst a bunch of other sets recent & old, and all have baseplates beneath them for attachments & consistent texture. Baseplates are wonderful when used to good effect!
I have to admit, though, that flat ones haven’t a fraction of the structural strength of proper plates. Also, kids do often enjoy sprawling out the components of playsets to align reality with the ever-changing constructs of their imaginations. When the set was finally revealed a feeling of complete disappointment came over me. This was just a collection of small sets looking like it was hastily rushed together. There was no flow or structure to how the set was to be laid out. And my little brother absolutely loves building things on them. Lego should at least try to offer a better selection of plates for individual sell.
I had a couple of the road plates; they’d be very hard to firmly attach together with bricks or plates across the join and would bend upwards slightly, making them an untidy proposition.
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I have always yearned for a 32×32 (or larger) plate that was a regular plate with the ability to receive studs on the underside.
You couldn’t really do that kind of structure without putting it on a baseplate. Just putting it on a few plates directly under it and it’d fall over too easily. By keeping things at least somewhat locked on a plate, it fells like you can at least contain it. Unlike a few other comments, more rooms would not have added that much to the set for me. Therefore more rooms, would not really move it out of play set land into display land. For me the use of perhaps smaller plates in conjunction with a more detailed cave that sprawled out and connected other parts.
I just don’t see the appeal of the new style of sets with pieces and sections just floating everywhere.
I think they really need to go back to including them in sets again.
I also really like the classic space moon crater base plates too.
I just think sometimes some of the sets are missing something with out them.
Lego 3d Base PlatesI suggest waiting for a sale because if this set flops it will be discounted and retired early!
Generally speaking, the larger a part is in a plastics molding environment, the more difficult it is to effectively mold that sample. Lego has probably moved away from them because of the scrap that is produced. The decision more than likely saved them a large sum of money.
I half agree and half disagree with this article.
I miss baseplates, in castle and police and fire stations they really help out a lot. Baseplates tend to crowd set features into a fairly cramped area, and force structures and features into very rigid 90 degree layouts.
I ended up buying the separate tan base plates and painting them white.
Whatever Happened To BaseplatesI baseplatified many of the sets which did noch come with them (newer castle sets for example).
I think the fort covers an area of about 48 x 48 studs. Sure it’s a little annoying that the bottoms are smooth and they are a little flimsy (many nervous moments carrying a set built on one) and not always the best clutch but having an instant area of open studs is awesome.
I doubt it’s a box size issue, didn’t they pretty much abandon their small box experiment?
I also love and miss baseplates as part of large sets. Baseplates are large, limited in function (because they have no studs on the underside), and they have an irritating tendency to force layouts into a rigid-looking rectangular grid.
I also liked giving the city an actual city feel.
I also see without base plates also allows the collector to arrange things how ever they please or also takes up less space to store or display the models. Obviously nice flat baseplates are good, but they still exist. And using plates instead is a bonus, ’cause, hey!
These are not display sets, they’re play sets with prices so high that a lot of parents are going to balk at buying them.Whilst there’s debate for and against baseplates, it would be nice to have other colour baseplates available to buy, particularly a white 32×32 baseplate. Providing baseplates as separate sets allows customers to choose whether to buy some for our models or not. Lego still sells individual base plates on their website. Even the medium-sized ones can be quite expensive, though, which leads me to believe that base plates aren’t as “cost-effective” as they used to be. Then again, every thing is more expensive when you buy it individually. Therefore, the interior lighting unit of my cabinets get blocked by the sets on the top shelves.
Baseplates, Cutting Up Baseplates, Baseplate Haul, And A Bit Of Track.
Baseplates, Cutting up Baseplates, Baseplate Haul, and a bit of Track. This covers more baseplate purchases to fill gaps for …
They could even be sold as a loss-leader in order to sell more bricks. This set in particular needs a base that won’t flex – especially if you ever plan to move it. Growing up in the 80s & 90s, the sets with baseplates looked like a whole world. Roads and plates under all the buildings so that they’re the same height as the roads.
I wanted to make a multi-tiered house and didn’t have big enough plates for the floors/ceilings, but only baseplates. That’s an example of a set that used the raised baseplate well, and there are just as many instances of baseplate misuse among sets from the late 80s, 90s and early 2000s.
I think there is a time and place for both baseplates and lack thereof. The smaller buildings and so forth are fine without them. White baseplates would also make it a more desirable set just to obtain those.
I love the flexibility that the multitude of submodels allows, for different arrangements for both display and play. With some trans-colored tiles, that thing could make an awesome stained-glass window.
You could use the bricks freely, but not the baseplates, for those had specific structures. For example this one is really missing a baseplate in my opinion.I believe the other rumor about base plates are they force a box to be a certain size (with room likely to ensure the plate does not get damaged) and that the weight is prohibitive, and the cost to make them is up there. Lego has released 2 green, 1 tanned and 1 blue base plates so far. They also go along with the road base plates if you’re more into a table top display. Then continuing in from the corner on each side starting at the 3rd stud, place a 1×4 technic brick. The rest of the sides can be completed as their owners want, but flush is recommended unless you want to run wires or have a sensor or have a hole for an “interactive” feature.
I think meeting the goal of having ground structures such as the mountain-crater, pyramid bases, etc.
I too have wondered about the lack of baseplates. It will also come with two small tracks from the set. She is challenged by the larger kits, and at times likes to put several kits together. These base plates give her more room on which to build her creations. Dimensions are actually 15 1/8″ x 15 1/8″ for those considering a similar project. If you have bricks you need one of these.
I added also small parts (2×2) with the 2 diameter to allow you to perform a trial.